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| Strangely Anorak Location: Charvil, Berkshire | Posted - 9 March 2005 00:26   
I gave in and bought a "direct replacement for Magneton" Brise starter to try to cure my starting problems. I was rather displeased to find that it's not actually a direct replacement.The Brise doesn't use the spacer plate that the Caterham starter uses (which is probably good), but it means that none of the bolts off my old starter fit; they're too long. Also, because of the difference in design of the Brise, one of the bolts is never going to work with an Allen head; it needs to be a "normal" bolt head. So, can anyone please tell me what I need to ask for so that I don't get laughed out of the bolt shop? I think the old bolts are M10 and have "UM 12.9" stamped on the top. They are 55mm long (the new ones need to be about 10mm shorter), but the top 21mm (nearest the head) has no thread. For the N. Hants & Berks crowd, any suggestions on where to buy some of these beasts? I suspect that a trip to Halfords may not be too fruitful. Depressedly yours, Jason. Edited by - strangely on 9 Mar 2005 00:26:16 |
| V7 SLR z z z z z z z ..... Location: Brum Brum | Posted - 9 March 2005 0:39
Can't you just cut down the bolts to the size you need? |
| Strangely Anorak Location: Charvil, Berkshire | Posted - 9 March 2005 0:41
No, because of the Allen head vs. "standard" head problem. |
| Tony Whitley How do I get out of here? Location: On the Seven side of the street | Posted - 9 March 2005 7:27
I'll have a look in my bit box. Failing that you could swap your allen head for one (or all) of my hex heads. [Thus ensuring I can never fit a Brise starter... D'Oh!] M1 7 SMW 1.4-now-1.8K Mem.No. 10376 Picture here  |
| WILL FLY Yawn..... Location: On the edge of adhesion in Fleet | Posted - 9 March 2005 9:04
Jason Just take the bolts into AHC on the A30 in Camberley (about a mile up from the M & S roundabout on the RHS), they will have just what you want and won't think you're a plonker, they get lots of plonkers going in there saying ' can I have one of these but longer with a bolt head on it mate'  Roy. See willfly.net for more info. If you don't spin you ain't trying  Happiness is knowing you have just a tad too much power  |
| Strangely Anorak Location: Charvil, Berkshire | Posted - 9 March 2005 12:51
'Tis done! Halfords failed me, but I had a rather obvious brain-wave this morning (that I should have had last night, but I was knackered). I moved the stud from the top left to the bottom, since that's the one that I wouldn't be able to get an allen key to. I also cut down the two bolts and the stud (OK, Nige...). Steve told me that I probably wouldn't be able to cut the 12.9 bolts with a hacksaw, which proved to be just the kind of negative encouragement that I needed  ; 5 hacksaw blades later, and all 3 were trimmed.Thanks for your help everyone. I've had too many premature "successes" with this starting problem to proclaim anything yet, but if the noise it makes is any sign of intent, then this Brise is a serious super-starter! |
| stevefoster How do I get out of here? Location: Hants (north), Berkshire or Surrey | Posted - 9 March 2005 13:01
Depends on the hacksaw and how determined you are. Your tool box has probably improved since I saw it last. I was thinking blunt junior hacksaw Hants (North) and Berkshire Area club site here My racing info site here |
| Strangely Anorak Location: Charvil, Berkshire | Posted - 9 March 2005 13:08
I was quite determined . |
| philwaters Yawn..... Location: Reading, Berkshire | Posted - 9 March 2005 13:41
 New blade since I last tried to use it then Phil Waters |
| xflow7 I ought to get out more Location: Ann Arbor, MI | Posted - 9 March 2005 13:52
Well done. Just a tip when cutting bolts. After they're cut, take a file (or a grinder if you have one) and knock the beginning of the threads down just a bit by putting a little chamfer around the end (so it looks kind of like the end of an original finished bolt). Makes it worlds easier to get them started in holes without cross-threading. Dave |
| batteredoldsupersport You are at a complex junction Location: Not Hull, thank God, but Leeds. | Posted - 9 March 2005 14:10
Strangely, to save you using up the world supply of hacksaw blades and elbow grease the next time you need to cut a high tensile bolt, may I suggest the purchase of a £5 supermarket angle grinder? Thousands of uses, once bought you will take it everywhere. "Can't open a jar love? Give it here...." NNNYYYYYYAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW ! "Laugh that one off sunshine...got any other stuck jars love?" |
| Strangely Anorak Location: Charvil, Berkshire | Posted - 9 March 2005 14:44
I actually did do the chamferring thing. Give me a gold star! Phil, I don't think I'd class the current hacksaw blade as "new" .That's a good idea, BOSS. One good thing to come out of this is that I got talking to one of the other Dads whose child is in the same class as my son. He's building a Capri to take post-historic racing and offered the use of his well-equipped garage and trailer . |
| nverona I think I just saw Arne Saknussen..... Location: French Blatting in Noellet France | Posted - 9 March 2005 17:26
I put a Brise starter on last November. No problems since, till this weekend on the way back from Scotland. Stalled it at some stop-go light in Glossop. Pressed big red thing - nothing. Fiddled with wires and it started. Same thing happened at stop-go lights On A57 near Ladybower. Fiddled and it started. Concluded the big red thing was on it's way out. Got home, stalled it outside as some prat was moving his car from outside my driveway to the garage (the lane was completely empty, so why park outside a driveway!). removed big red thing and held wires together - nothing (except a spark). Push started and got it in garage. Monday took starter off, phoned Brise, took end cover off and inspected and tested with Ohmeter. Seems solonoid windings are faulty. New one arrived next day and old one on it's way back. That was a long winded way to say "well done Brise" Norman Verona, 1989 BDR 220bhp, Mem No 2166, the full story here |
| Strangely Anorak Location: Charvil, Berkshire | Posted - 9 March 2005 18:00
I did notice that the box proudly proclaimed that the starter is guaranteed for a year. I intend to keep it somewhere safe and hope that I don't need it. |
| Mike Bees blah, blah, blah... Location: Beside the seaside | Posted - 9 March 2005 18:28
"I intend to keep it somewhere safe and hope that I don't need it" - best thing to do with most starter motors it would seem Mike |
| V7 SLR z z z z z z z ..... Location: Brum Brum | Posted - 9 March 2005 19:48
Norm and Jase, do your new starters look like the one half way down this page? If so, did you pay £250 plus vat for it? I ask because I saw a Brise starter on JimmySLR's Se7en when I was at DVA's last Sept/Oct. It looked nothing like the Magneton starter which the Brise one on this web page does. Jimmy's looked more like the Vx one above the Caterham K starter. Before I shell out on a new starter I need to know I'm buying the right one. I have also heard Brise are selling a cheaper Magneton replacement at about £180 plus VAT. What's the story chaps? |
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